I just realized that what I have ALWAYS THOUGHT was THE MORDOR MOTIF from lord of the rings, is almost all of the same notes as THE RING MOTIF from lord of the rings. !!!
different tempo, context, symbolism, intstruments…. different resolution….. different harmonic context…. SAME MELODY. DANG!
Hahahaha
how did I MISS that.
that IS like Wagner!
(said themes are both in the hobbit fims as well)
b C b CbAb……
slow… that’s it.
the RING motif, is, the same notes, fast, in strings, over f minor, moving to e minor, plus C B E….
OBVIOUSLY they would be related. man, that’s as cool as when it happens in wagner. wow.

p.s it’s actually B C B CB A-natural, not flat, in the “ring” motif.